Three questions about President Trump (from Doug)

In a comment on another blog, Doug asked these three questions:

  1. If your affinity for Trump, in part, is because you have a wish to return the country back to what once was (the idea reflected in MAGA)… what period of time would that be/have been when you felt the most comfortable?
  2. In what way have you suffered personally in the past that contributes to your favoring the President?
  3. If by some chance Trump gets impeached from office, resigns, or loses the 2020 election, are you willing to accept that and move on.. or would you want to strike back in some way, be it peaceful or not? (Understanding your answer could be different for each condition)

 

Those are excellent questions, which is why I decided to share them here. Even though I did not vote for Donald Trump in the primary or the general election of 2016—and, depending upon who else is on the ballot, would probably not vote for him today—I have been outspoken about the need to support him because he is President of the United States—not just President of the people who voted for him, but President of all the people. The shrill opposition to Donald Trump from many media sources is bad for the country and bad for the world. Disagree with his policies, sure, deplore his personality, yes, but honor the office in which he serves and stop predicting which week he will fall from power.

That said, I offer these three answers to Doug’s three questions—and I invite additional answers from others, because like Doug I am interested in what others have to say.

  1. I believe that America is great, not that it was great and needs to be made great again. I have no particular time in American history that I consider ideal. We’ve made progress in some areas and have lost ground in other areas. I do understand the purpose of the slogan “Make America Great Again.” It recognizes that we could be doing better than we are. But your question is very appropriate—when did America lose its greatness? I say we haven’t lost it.
  2. My personal suffering has very little to do with the federal government and its policies. On the other hand, our previous President (for whom I did vote) made some mistakes in domestic policy and in foreign policy which caused me some dismay. I think he tried too hard to get the government more involved in the life of citizens, which means loss of freedom and personal rights. I think he acted poorly as Commander in Chief of the armed forces. (When you are involved in a war, never announce to the world what you are going to do or when you plan to leave.)
  3. If Donald Trump loses the 2020 election, I will accord the same respect and honor to whoever wins that election that I give Donald Trump and that I gave Barack Obama. If he is impeached by the House of Representatives and is convicted by the Senate, I will respect and honor President Pence. Based on the evidence I have seen thus far, I do not think he would be convicted by the Senate even if he was impeached by the House. In fact, I would discourage my Representative in Congress from pursuing any attempt to impeach the President, unless some new evidence of a high crime is produced. Likewise, if President Trump were to resign, I would honor and respect his successor. When Trump was elected, I thought it likely that he would become frustrated by the lack of power in the presidency and would resign before 2019. At this point, it is clear that he is determined to stay the course, run for reelection, and spend eight years of his life trying his best to make America great.

Doug, I’m interested in your  reaction to these thoughts, and I invite others to join the conversation. J.

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30 thoughts on “Three questions about President Trump (from Doug)

  1. I am not old enough to give my two cents on this, but according to my dad, finding a good job was much easier a few decades ago, so that is a common interpretation of making America great again–i.e. improving our economy. And now the economy actually is improving. However, I do see how the phrase is problematic because black people and other minority groups had less civil rights a few decades ago.

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    • Lily… I read your story and I am guessing having yet another person “try” and present their sympathy over your disease.. sympathy being the last thing you may want… and empathy in seeming to know what you’ve been through and may yet go through, seeming a bit patronizing, the words are indeed difficult to try and simply convey a level of human compassion. You’ve expressed your feelings at being outside the “bubble” looking in into that which you can’t or have difficulty experiencing “normally”. Maybe there’s a conversing side… there are those of us outside your bubble, looking in to that which we can’t even imagine, or couldn’t unless we’ve been there. As a fellow human being I am indeed saddend for your affliction, but humbled by your ability to create your own perspective to retain control of who you are inside.

      Given that.. your reply to a political opinion blog, would seem to be the last thing on your mind. Not sure I would have had that perspective if I were in your situation… more like, “Screw politics. I got greater things to worry about.”. I am awed. You might be young but when you got of age to vote your opinion is an equal value to anyone’s opinion. Your age allows you to bring to the table a fresh perspective…. and a perspective from a person with degenerative health condition. In the end… Boomers like me, your parents, etc. are leaving you a world that isn’t perfect. But then again… my Greatest Generation parents, your grandparents, and their ilk didn’t leave us Boomers such a great world either. All a matter of perspective. Good to know you post in here to make sure Rudy stays balanced. 🙂

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  2. The thing in that last question—a bit of goading shrouded in the form of a question…
    I didn’t like Barak Obama but you didn’t hear me wailing that I was moving countries…he was our President…elected by a majority—a majority I felt np connection to or with, but elected none the less…I respect the office. Mr. President he was…whether I like it or not,..he was still “my” president and he represented our Nation.

    That is the difference between those of us who claim to be conservative and those on the progressive left.

    There is a level of respect that we have threaded through our being…I call it a component of our morality.

    Call it old school if you will… I may not like the candidate and I may feel gravely concerned…but I honor our system…because it is our system —our democracy.

    My granddad did not like Roosevelt.
    He spent 12 unhappy years concerned over a president he did not see eye to eye with…but he went about his life despite an election not going his way…that is the difference between those who “get” our democracy and those who do not…
    We may not like something yet we know we have a voice and a vote—if it doesn’t turn out our way…there’s always the next election…

    We don’t mount some “oh woe is us the world is ending” sort of lamentation and attack against those who we have deemed to differ from our thoughts–accusing them of being racists or bigots…of which is what we are seeing Trump voters being accused of.

    Whenever in the history of our Nation did the election paraphernalia of one of the two parties suddenly turn into paraphernalia that was considered hate-filled, racist and close to becoming illegal….as in you could lose a job if you wear a red hat…
    Give me a break!

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    • As I indicated to Rudy… I wasn’t asking the questions to debate or rag on anyone so my intent here is not that at all. But I can provide some explanation regarding your observation that the third question was a bit of goading a response, or certainly in the least making an assumption regarding who I was directing the questions. I visit any number of Conservative blogs and a majority do not fall nicely into the tolerant and amicable blogs of IB, Citizen Tom, here in Salvageable, etc. Most tend to exhibit all the “scary” things, although not ultra right wing you would expect this from.. but even the more “moderate” Trump supporters who tend to assign conspiracies, deep state suspicions, witch hunts, and generally echo Trump’s rhetoric. The scary part is that these blogs will entertain toying around with this “civil war” talk if Trump undergoes anything resembling impeachment… as if it were all some deep state Clinton-esque Liberal payoff and these guys were going to defend democracy or something. So I confess that the third question might not be for certain sites not as.. enraged with political angst to the point of wanting to strike back at something.

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      • Thank you Doug…I fear far too many folks are trying to blindly clump all conservatives into a pile of racsit bigotry—most unfairly.
        To support the office of the President is what we do—whether we like the man or not.
        People hated Nixon—I thought he was a master in Foriegn Policy diplomacy—but of course he had Kissinger.
        Yet I still respected the office.
        I had Nixon Agnew campaign pins…despite Nixon’s fall from grace and becoming the scourge of many an American, those pins were never seen as tools of the devil as we see MAGA hats today.
        Bill Clinton brought the notion of oral sex into the dinner time news which many a young child was exposed to…I resented that but
        did those of us who hated what he had done so publically infront of an audience of both young and old..that being lying and expsoing all of us to a lesson of a persident’s sexual dialance, yet he nor his supporters were ever subjected to the vehemence we are seeing today.
        I think what we are witnessing today is a sad sad state of affairs….and that’s not a Clinton type of affair of which I speak.

        No man, no president, is a saint nor even saintly. We are all fallen from Grace…all in need of healing and redemption—

        I just hate the ugly discord now thrown at any and all Republicans as they are considered piriah due to the Lefts’ didain for Trump.

        We are treading into very dark days.

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      • Ah.. , yes.. I was a Nixon supporter back in the day.. and I too valued his (Kissinger more likely) international diplomacy.. and especially the China engagement. I was stationed in Iceland as an Air Force Security cop when Nixon and French Pres. Pompidou met for a summit in Reykjavik.. and I was a part of his extended detail. I even recall him giving the military a nearly 80% salary increase overnight later that year. The cover up was bad and he rightly paid for it.
        I was a senior in high school in Chicago when Nixon and Agnew were campaigning. Agnew was visiting a local shopping mall in my area of the city and as one of the school paper photographers I went to the mall to cover the event. I managed to get a few closeups.. and stuck my hand out and he shook it in passing.
        Damn… do I feel old when I recount things that are thought of as ancient history now. You might find the following an interesting tidbit of my personal history regarding President Kennedy.
        https://findingpoliticalsanity.com/my-republican-roots/

        Regarding your observations of us being in bad times… when making your comparisons between past presidents and the vitriolic opinions of the current one.. I might suggest asking yourself why that is. Look past the party differences and the campaigning and the promises. Our current situation is way beyond that. Now more than ever… Trump, instant internet communications around the world, media coverage happening faster than the ability to interpret it all… we are on information overload, Julie.. and our kids are suffering the stresses, the depression, the suicides.. it’s all related. Our kids need to be taught not only problem solving skills, but also critical thinking skills. They need to be able to properly assess, qualify, quantify, verify and filter what they see, read, hear, not only from media but also from their social media, and their fellow classmates. You’re the educator and you see it much more obviously than I do. Mental health is near or at epidemic proportions.. across all age groups… yet we are more concerned for political correctness in using proper terminology to separate the mental illness of a mass shooter from mental illness of someone with mild depression. The idiocy astounds me.

        Supporting your president, whomever that is, should NEVER be a surrender of your right as an American to criticize that same president if and when it might be needed. What makes Trump unique? My whole blog discusses that. I just replied to Rudy above about my duty to take a bullet for the office of the President… not the man.

        It’s late.. I ranted longer than I wished. sorry bout that.

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      • No surrendering of rights or self Doug— and not saying I follow blindly— I don’t engage in any social media other than the blog so no tweeting etc— I think, as we’ve seen, it is a distraction and poor tool as it keeps more in trouble than out— but he can be voted out of office should a more viable candidate come into the fray—but given the Kavanaugh fiasco— it best be a brave soul!
        I can’t say I like him but he is doing much of what he said he would and as the wife of someone who ran a small independent business, the economy has surged under Trump— I’m letting the chips get sorted in 2020

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      • Well, I wasn’t referring to Pence running against Trump in 2020.. but rather an ominous impeachment between now and then could just end up putting Pence as President, and he himself becomes the fellow to beat in 2020. I would accept Pence in lieu of Trump any day.

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      • Like someone mentioned earlier I think personal safety more a reality than impeachment— Clinton walked that impeachment road as well as a disbarment but nothing stopped him— impeachment is my last concern

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      • What a great conversation! (And to think it all happened on my blog!) I am a bit of a scholar when it comes to Nixon and Watergate. Regarding foreign policy, Nixon was definitely the mastermind of his policy; he chose Kissinger because he knew Kissinger could accomplish what Nixon wanted to be done. The Nixon-haters like to give Kissinger credit for anything good accomplished by the Nixon administration, and (unfortunately) Kissinger basks in their praise. I have to say that the build-up to the 2020 election, with all the Democratic hats being thrown into the ring, is fascinating. If they end up nominating some left-wing socialist, it’ll be Nixon and McGovern all over again. And then the Democrats in Congress might get more serious about impeachment. They have all these months to investigate and keep their accusations in the news; that might be their long-term strategy heading toward 2020. I don’t think they would want to give Vice President Pence too much time to establish himself in the White House before the election, so rushing into impeachment is not in their best interests. J.

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  3. Excellent response, J, and I probably fully concur with what you have said. I also, did not vote for him, as I was blessed to live in a place where the ballot offered me more than just the two options. I probably accomplished nothing with my vote, but I slept good afterward. I am encouraged to see civil dialogue on this issue for sure. Thanks for your diligence in this.

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  4. I did indicate when I first delivered those questions that I would not follow with my own diatribe criticizing the answers as I was more or less on a personal “fact finding” thing. But if you’re inviting want some interaction…..

    1. I wholeheartedly agree… I have no idea when America lost it’s “greatness” (actually, until now… with the current fellow.. and that’s strictly my own opinion) , but I do affirm that the slogan is there to grab the emotional right wing who thinks the white entitlement of the “good old days” is vanishing.

    2. You bring up an interesting comparison. Just today I watched Harry Reid in a recent interview in which he expressed his common knowledge dissatisfaction with Trump. He said that George W. Bush would be a Babe Ruth compared to Trump. The interviewer played back archival footage of a younger Harry Reed, proclaiming Bush had been the worst president in history.. and the here and now Harry Reid didn’t dispute what he said about Bush.. but suggested it was a much different perception at that time. In other words, we tend to make comparisons between now and the past when outside circumstances may be totally different. I keep suggesting it’s the same conclusion as Einstein made about space and time.. it all depends on your vantage point that determines your relativity of the moment. I voted for Obama as well.. but just voting for someone doesn’t necessarily presume that person will always make perfect decisions while in office. This is one reason people keep track of how well a president keeps his/her campaign promises; that’s all we have to go on. I submit to you that your disillusion with Obama was far less about his campaign promises (which he did far more than Trump has so far) and more about his meeting the “normal” things that pop up, like visuals we may not like (the so-called, Obama Apology Tour) and things they might say in the course of being president. I didn’t much care for “W” either.. but I sure wish he was in office instead of the guy we currently have. All a matter of perspective.

    3.. I agree that as Americans we have a responsibility to respect the “office”. while we retain the right to criticize the person occupying it. I have posted a couple times that if I were ever in a position to do so, I would take a bullet for any sitting President… but NOT necessarily for the person themselves. In protecting the sitting President I am, in part, protecting the Constitutional role of the office of the President, and thus protecting from any threat to our democracy. Impeachment…. in current terms, there’s not enough Republicans in the Senate to push it forward. If any or all of the open investigations going on manage to reveal Trump illegal or immoral activity to a point where even some of his base jumps ship, it’s possible some Senate Republicans will shift over with their constituents and get it passed. Now.. the question remains… is there a substantial element in Trump’s base (the element who loves Trump regardless of what he does or has done) that might perceive this action as being some “deep state” conspiracy witch hunt-by-the-elites nonsense.. and feel they need to strike back.. violently? I can’t answer that yet.

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    • Frankly, if I were President Trump, I would be far more concerned about the threat of an individual shooter than about the threat of impeachment and conviction in Congress. There are violent people at both political extremes. Along with that, impeachment takes so long that any strong reaction from President Trump’s supporters would probably happen during, not after, the impeachment hearings. J.

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  5. My refusal to support Trump was primarily due to two character-related points: his “locker room” comments, in which he all but confessed to being a sexual predator, and Trump University, which was a scummy deal overall. Beyond that, I was concerned about whether he really understood conservatism (based on his campaign comments) and his puerile Twitter behavior, but that last one was further down the list of priorities.

    I simply didn’t think his lack of character would be good for either the GOP or the church in the long-term. After the constant falls of church leaders to sin, the last thing we needed was more bad publicity.

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    • I wonder how much of the character/Twitter mess is just smoke and mirrors to distract us from what he really is doing. It would be interesting to compare the last several presidents regarding how hard they tried to keep their campaign promises. J.

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  6. You never cease to amaze me with your wise answers, J.. I think your attitude is honest and very mindful and more people should try to be like that: in the here and now, accepting of what is rather than refusing to call defeat. Or however it may feel for others.

    I find it difficult to answer these questions as Donald Trump is not my president. I do hope he won’t get reelected, more so because I don’t like his attitude in general nor his behaviour, but even if he would be, I’d accept the situation. There’s not a whole lot more to do.

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